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The Wakeup Call

On August 26, 2004, Oral Roberts, Richard Roberts, and Kenneth Copeland met to discuss a very important vision God had given Oral Roberts concerning the future of the United States, the Jews, the Christians, and the world. The following is a transcript of that meeting.

Richard: It is a privilege and honor today to be seated between two men whom I love with all my heart. My father, Oral Roberts, who has been and continues to be my mentor in the healing ministry. And I thank God that I could be sitting next to him and also next to my dear beloved friend, Kenneth Copeland, who prophesied into my life that I was coming home, away from those things which I had gone to and that I was giving my heart to God. It all came to pass. If I had to pick two men to sit between, these would be the two.
Kenneth: Thank you, Richard. Praise the Lord.
Richard: This is a very special time because God has given a vision to my father, a vision about the future of this nation, of the Jews, of the Christians, of the world, and what God is about to do. And God has given Kenneth a prophetic word concerning that vision, which is extremely important to you, and you don't want to miss what's going to happen. The Bible says in Amos 3:7: "Surely the Lord God does nothing, unless he reveals his secret to His servants the prophets."
Kenneth: Amen.
Richard: And I want you to listen with your heart because I believe when you hear the vision and you hear the prophetic interpretation, you're going to be touched; you're going to know what God is about to do; you can get your heart ready and be prepared—and it's important for us to be prepared. Dad, would you just begin to share the vision that God has laid on your heart?
Oral: In the midst of the turmoil, the fear, the anxiety that's in our nation and in our world, as I was walking and meditating, I heard the voice of God. I've heard that voice many times; it's familiar to me, and there's no way that I can fail to understand it's His voice because I'm familiar with it. And instantly I heard that voice and I heard it and then I saw with my eyes something I'd never seen. Suddenly, in the clouds in the skies above New York City and the east part of the United States, and which hung there for quite some time and then spread out across America, without touching the ground, and then God diffused it away from America and sent it out to the nations of the earth. And I saw and I heard. What did I see? I saw something coming down from above: smoke and vapor and blood, or it looked like that to my eyes, to my spiritual eyes. There it was; hanging so huge until it almost blotted out the sky. Instantly I thought about 9/11, when the terrorists attacked the twin towers and through television, all of us in America, and probably the world, saw those more than a hundred-story-high buildings crumple and heard the cry of thousands of people who were being either killed or wounded. I remembered the fear that struck my heart and knew that what I was feeling, everybody else was feeling, and remembered that never in the history of the world, and certainly not of America, that something of this proportion had struck the human race and was a preview of things similar to it that were going to happen through what we now call terrorists.

First I saw this thing hovering and great changes coming in it to where I couldn't miss it, and then I heard, something came into my ears, and it reminded me of what a friend of mine had said when the first space capsule was released into the sky. They told me that they made of all of them—he was a news man in New York City—to be maybe half mile or more away from the capsule. And he said when that thing lifted off the earth, there was a sound, and the sound itself moved the weeds and the growth, and he said, "It penetrated my body." He said, "As I talked to others, they felt the same thing." He said the sound was so enormous that nothing had ever happened like it in the history of the world. Instantly I thought of that, because the sound that was coming into my ears was penetrating my whole being. And then I heard God's voice. He said, “I'm making a sign. This is a sign according to the second chapter of Acts, where the Apostle Peter, upon the giving of the Holy Spirit, the baptism of the Holy Spirit, said there'll be signs in the skies.” He said, “This is one of the signs of the end time because the world is not ready for the second coming of my Son.” He said, “My church is not ready for the second coming of my Son.” He said, “The Jews, with whom I've had the covenant for thousands of years, they're not ready for the second coming of my Son.” He said, “The nations of the earth are not ready for the second coming of my Son.” He said, “America has been set aside by a special covenant that I made with many of the people who came to found this nation several hundred years ago, that this was my nation and the gospel was going to go out from it unlike any other nation and there'd be more gospel going out from America.” And he said, “Not only would there be a powerful military presence in the United States unlike any other nation, but it would be the center of the gospel that I was sending out.” And he said to me, “You remember that I said in my Bible to my disciples 2,000 years ago, ‘Go into all the world and teach all nations, and when that teaching has reached the nations then shall the end come.’” And then he startled me. He said, “With all of the widespread force of my church in the world, but particularly in the United States, which is the source of most of the gospel that's being preached in all the world, he said, there is a wasting of my power; there is a failure to grasp the end time. And the church, they are coming to church on Sunday morning mostly for themselves and the preachers, for the most part, are not really concerned about the nations of the earth. They're concerned about the little group that is there, and they sing their songs and they get up and preach. And he said, “When 9/11 struck, there was a fear that came into the hearts, even of my people of the church and of people outside the church; and millions the following Sunday or two rushed to go to church, but the preachers were not prepared, and most of them didn't even preach on it and didn't even talk about it being the sign of something that's coming hundreds of thousands of times bigger.” He said, “When those planes of the terrorists struck the twin towers in New York City and they gradually came tumbling down, it was something bigger than people had ever seen; but it's nothing in comparison to what's going to happen in the second coming of my Son.” And so he said, “My church was not prepared to deal with that, and people came to church and then nothing much happened, and they dropped back, and many of them went back to their bars,” as I heard Kenneth Copeland say, “and there I was with my whole creation that's alive in the earth, not counting all those who have died, millions who have lived and died, all of whom will be resurrected at some time in the future, having to do with the second coming of my Son, some to everlasting life, some to live forever in their new bodies and some to everlasting shame and contempt forever lost.” And he said, “I love people, I created them. I love them by creation. I love them because I sent my only begotten Son.” And instantly I thought of the great show that Mel Gibson made of The Passion.
Kenneth: Uh‑huh, yeah.
Oral: When millions upon millions went to see [The Passion] and are seeing it now all over the world. I remember when I sat there with my wife, watching it, and how my soul was stirred and the tears sprang from my eyes and my body trembled as I saw something about the sufferings of Jesus, the Son of God, to save the human race and so that the devil would not destroy God's creation, he would not destroy men, women and children that God had created and for whom Jesus had died and rose from the dead, that we might be born again, we might repent of our sins and have salvation and come into a readiness for the coming of Christ. And he says, “As you know in the Bible, the second coming is in two parts. One is called the rapture; one is called the revelation. And, first of all, I'm going to rapture, or catch up, my people, the people who are born of my Spirit and filled with my Spirit and serving me. I'm going to catch them up in a moment of time and they'll meet my Son in the clouds and come on into heaven, into my presence. And then not long after, I'm going to bring that bride of Christ back with Jesus when he comes the second time to the earth, and that'll be the beginning of the judgment of the nations.” But he said, “The thing that is breaking my heart is that I commanded my people, I commanded my church to preach the gospel in all the world and to teach all nations. And while they are evangelists and pastors and prophets and apostles and all kinds of my workers in various parts of the world and in some of the nations of the earth, it's just a drop in the bucket to what I commanded my disciples to do. And I love people so much I cannot afford to let people go on like they are.” And then he directed my attention to the book of Matthew, the 24th chapter, where he speaks in the 24th chapter and beginning at verse 35: "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." What I'm talking about is known only to the Father.

"But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Now he reminded me in the 6th chapter of Genesis that the earth was filled with violence and it was so full it couldn't be any more full, and it grieved the heart of God that he had made man, and he decided that he would destroy man and begin over. And he established a remnant, and it was a family, Noah and his family. And he commanded him to build a huge boat that would take two of every living thing in it so when the flood came (and they'd never had rain before in the earth; it had been watered by a mist), he said, “When the flood comes and this boat with this family and two of every living thing gets in it, and the flood lifts them up from the earth that's being destroyed—or from the human race that's being destroyed—the flood that lifts the ark, or the remnant of my people, in Noah's day, will come down in judgment upon the people of the earth.” And he said, “Now, there's got to be preaching with fire in the belly. There's got to be anointing of the Holy Ghost. My church has to wake up, because what I'm revealing in this sign that every eye is going to see, every ear is going to hear, they'll see this thing. They will not necessarily know what it is, but it's a wake‑up call about the second coming of my Son. “It's not going to come and touch the earth. It's going to be seen, it's going to be heard, and people are going to become aware of the drama of the end time, of the second coming of Christ when he splits the skies and comes back with His bride and takes over the reign of the earth, and he destroys the Antichrist who will arise at that time; he will destroy the followers of Antichrist and he'll establish His kingdom upon the earth.” And he said, “I cannot let anybody live and die without knowledge that my Son is coming back the second time.”

Well, I shook in my body. I went into the kitchen where Evelyn, my darling wife, was, and I immediately told her. The following day my son, Richard, flew out from Tulsa to California, where I now live in the sunset of my life. I'm now 86 and Evelyn is 87. And I set him down and I told him what I've told you. Then I picked up the phone and I called a prophet of God, Kenneth Copeland, who is my son in the Lord for, I guess, 45 years at least, a powerful man of God in this earth and in the world, and I told him what I've told you. And I said, “Kenneth, it seems to me that we should tell the world about this vision, because I saw it and I heard it and well, it seems to me, it could be very soon that this sign, whatever form it is revealed to you—maybe you won't see it exactly like I saw it, but you'll see something that's beyond anything you've ever seen. You'll hear something in the innermost part of your being that you've not heard. It'll have to do with the second coming, to tell you it's now time to get on your knees.” I feel it now coming out of my being. It's now time to go back to church; but it's now time, preacher, teacher, to get up with my Bible and really preach the second coming of Christ and to tell people things aren't going on like they're going on now. There's going to be an end of all this. There's going to be a wake‑up of the whole world, and the terrorists are just the prelude. What we're seeing now from them is not going to stop. There are going to be things happen from them that's beyond what we now see, and I'll say more about that in a moment. But, Richard and Kenneth, I tell you again, as I've already done a few days ago, that's the vision that God gave me.
Richard: Well, after you and I sat down and you shared this vision with me, and then after you and Kenneth talked on the telephone, then I received a phone call from Kenneth, and he said, "Richard, do you have a way to record this conversation?" And he told me...
Oral: There it is, right here.   You sent it to me.
Richard: Yes.    ...what the Lord had spoken to him prophetically, which was in my mind, Kenneth, an interpretation of what the vision was and what you saw as a result of that. Would you begin to share what you shared with me on the phone from the prophetic standpoint of what this means and how it may come about, who it's going to affect and what it means in terms of our nation and, as he said, the Jews and the church and the nations?
Kenneth: One thing, that it really is a wake‑up call, that we are there, that it's just not something that's going to happen way out in the future someplace. We're really there. 6,000 years has come and gone since the Garden of Eden, and the 7,000th year, we're facing it. It's right in our face. So all of these things that have to happen between the sixth and seventh thousandth year, we're right in the middle of that. It's just a little sliver of time there, and we're right in the middle of it. And everything that God said was going to come to pass in that 6,000 years is going to have to be finished right here in this little small period of time, in this little period of grace, where I believe multiplied billions of people are going to find out about what God is doing, and they have a choice.   They can either accept it or pay the consequences.
Richard: So it's coming to a head.
Kenneth: It's coming to a head, and we're there. We're right in the middle of this right now. Now, the first thing that really stirred on the inside of me was I Corinthians 10:32, where it says, "Give none offense, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles," and the cross‑reference says, "the nations," "nor to the church of God." Now, those are the three classes of people on the earth.
Richard: The church...
Kenneth: The Body of Christ, the church, the born‑again believer. Then there's the Jews and then there's the nations.
Richard: Nobody else.
Kenneth: Nobody else.   Everybody falls in those categories. Now when God speaks and he says something, it can come out one way to the church, come out another way to the nations, and come out another way to the Jews and still be all the same message. He may say it differently, but the outcome is still the same. Anything that God says to the church, to the Body of Christ, he says for these reasons: Either to change it...he's revealing His secrets to the prophets so that they can tell the people and you can begin to pray and change things, or you can prepare for it.
Richard: Yes.
Kenneth: Or you can change the intensity of it. Now, Richard, there's one thing here about any born‑again child of God. If God reveals that there's something coming like this or God reveals that a recession is coming or that certain judgments that are already in the earth and they work on cycles and, say, that's coming, you can begin to pray and either stop it altogether or change it altogether.   Or it may be something that you can't personally stop, but you can always change it where your own family and your own church and your own personal surrounding is, because we live in the armor of light if we'll be obedient to God.
Richard: And we have faith.
Kenneth: We have faith.   And our system, the kingdom of God, is functioning separate from this earth if we learn how to operate in it.
Oral: Kenneth, would you excuse me a minute? You remember, you asked me on the phone when I revealed this vision to you, as I described this sign somewhere in the heavens coming over America and the nations of the earth, you asked me something about the intensity of it and could we lessen the intensity of it, and I said, “Yes, but you can't stop it. God is going to do this.”
Richard: It's coming.
Oral: He's going to give a wake‑up call, and you spoke to that like you're speaking now.
Kenneth: Now, that...don't ever, ever attempt to second‑guess God. “Well, I believe this is going to be a terrorist attack. I believe this is going to be a nuclear bomb. I believe this is going to be a meteorite falling into the ocean.” Forget all that. You'll know it when it comes. The thing to do is turn to the Word and turn to God and come to him in repentance and prepare for this. Now let me go back over here to something that God started talking to me about this on the 27th of November of 2003, and then I had a visitation of the Lord on the evening of New Year's Eve.   I was preaching that night there at home.
Richard: This last New Year's Eve?
Kenneth: This last New Year's Eve. And so the last day of December, that afternoon, and the Lord talked to me all the way from that afternoon until about an hour before the service started that night. I wrote it down. He said, "The year of 2004 will be known as the year of fullness. By the close of 2004, all callings will come to fullness, apostles ministry, prophets ministry, evangelists ministry, pastors ministry, teaching ministries, that will obey me will come into full manifestation and the gifts of the Spirit will be manifested in fullness as they were when Jesus was on the earth."
Richard: Yeah, you said, "That will obey Me."
Kenneth: "That will obey me." Now that's always at the center of anything God says, "If you'll obey me." Now, if we'll move in this and be prepared when this comes, then those that are functioning in the gifts of the Spirit, particularly in the healing ministry, that's where the people will go.
Oral: I asked God about the church, what was the condition of the church and what effect should this revelation that he's bringing as a wake‑up call have on his church. I'll never forget what he said, and I say it very carefully and without trying to offend anybody. He said, “There's an emptiness in my church.”   He said, “There is a weakness, a wimpiness, like being a wimp. There's a spirit of weakness in the people who are trying to proclaim my gospel.” He said, “They are not feeling me on the inside of them. They're taking some form of theology and taking that little form and they're following what they've been taught, and the people are coming and sitting there and crossing their arms and saying, ‘Well, I hope I feel better when this service is over.’ And they get up and go home. But,” he said, “there's not very much happening.”   And he said, “There's got to be a wake‑up because the second coming is going to change everything and change every human being who has lived before and who's alive now. “
Richard: As you're talking, I see a vision of a wave breaking on the shore out here in the ocean, and a person is standing there in the water and here comes the wave.   You're not going to stop it. You're not going to stop that wave from breaking. Now there's several things that person can do.   He can dive under it and almost deny that it exists, or he can let it just slap him in the face. You talk about a wake‑up call.   Or you can ride it.
Oral: You went through that as a little boy on the Pacific.
Richard: Sure, I did.   And God is showing us what's coming, and God is showing us how to get on His wave, how for it not to hit us in the face, how to get into repentance, how to get into the obedience, so we can ride that wave so it doesn't slap us in the face. That's what I hear you saying.
Kenneth: I do, too.   That's what I'm hearing the Lord say.    Let's take this one piece at a time. Anything that happens like this comes under the heading of judgment, because there are certain things that God has judged and certain things that are only going to go so far, and they have to be stopped.
Richard: Now that sounds to somebody like doom and gloom, but you're not talking about doom and gloom.
Kenneth: No, I'm—now, it depends on whether you're—in what family you're in, and this is...
Richard: Where you are at the time.
Kenneth: Yeah.   You go back to this, and it's a dark day to somebody that is out there in the world without God. The Word says if you're without Christ, you're without hope and without God in the world.
Richard: So with that group, it's worse than doom and gloom.
Kenneth: Oh, it is eternal darkness, damnation, but it doesn't have to be. Now let's talk about the Body of Christ first. Don't ever be afraid of judgment. Be obedient. Don't get into fear. Fear will make your faith feeble. Fear tolerated is faith contaminated.   And that's what all this fear is all about. It’s satan trying to paralyze the Body of Christ so they can't do anything and then he can establish his frontiers in the world.   And re‑establish them, really, through fear.
Oral: Is that why so many in the church are miserable? Their salvation is not working, and so many are lukewarm, and some are just there for they don't know why, but they're miserable in their life. They don't have the victory of Christ in their heart, they don't have the Holy Spirit working, they don't have the signs and wonders, the miracles of the Bible? Is that why?
Kenneth: Yes, sir. Fear is at the root of that.
Richard: And they've come to sooth their conscience.
Kenneth: Now let's go back to something that the Word says and we'll major on this. It very plainly says in I Corinthians the 11th chapter that if...let's go over there to I Corinthians 11, where the apostle Paul is teaching on Communion, from Verse 23, 24, 25, down through 29 and 30 and so forth. Now look at verse 31: "If we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world."
Richard: So that...
Kenneth: If we'll judge ourselves, we don't fall under the judgment that's coming on the unrepentant world.
Richard: So this is a good judgment.
Kenneth: Oh, yes, sir; for us it is.
Richard: Is that what David was saying when he said, "Search me, Lord; see if there's anything [wrong] in me"?
Kenneth: Yes, sir.
Richard: He was judging himself on a daily basis.
Oral: Let me tell you what's happened to me the past few days since this vision came, when I thought I was so close to God and I felt the presence of the Lord, and I'm now not traveling in my ministry, but ministers are flying in from all over the world to sit with me and to ask my counsel, and many are bringing their cameras for me to do Sunday morning services and so on. I looked at myself, and I saw that I didn't have enough Spirit of God. I saw that some of the problems that I have are totally unnecessary, that not a one of them I had to have. And I began to judge Oral Roberts. I began to look, and I discovered that I wasn't paying enough attention to the second coming of Christ. I said to myself, "How long has it been since you've shared on the second coming?" I couldn't even remember.
Kenneth: Stirred you up, didn't it?
Oral: Stirred me up, and that's what I'm feeling here. To be honest with you, it's hard for me to talk right now.   I'm so broke up inside myself.   I want to cry, I want to holler, I want to say, "Lord, give me another chance!" (Laughter)
Richard: Give me this mountain.
Kenneth: Let's dig into that a minute. When God speaks...there are the apostles, the prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers.   All of those offices are prophetic. No such thing as a non‑prophetic office of God because God's the one that's doing the speaking. But Oral Roberts is an apostle, an evangelist.
Richard: Yes.
Kenneth: You're an evangelist.
Richard: Yes.
Kenneth: I've been called into the office of the prophet and teacher. But the Lord told me right at the very beginning, he said—in fact, he used the 5th chapter of the book of Hebrews to commission this ministry. He said...and, of course, in there is when it says they that use milk are babies, but those of full age who, by reason of training, have their senses exercised to know the difference between good and evil (vv. 13, 14). He's talking about ministering to the Body of Christ. But when he calls on your dad, he intends for the whole to hear it. He's talking to the nations when he's talking through him.
Richard: That's right.
Kenneth: When he's talking through me, I'll be reading what he said to me; he's talking to the Body of Christ here. I hear what he's saying to the world. He said the same thing, only he talked through him about the world being full of sin. He's talking to me about the year of fullness.
Oral: And full of sickness.
Kenneth: Yeah.
Oral: Go ahead.
Kenneth: So any way you go, full is full. He's talking to the world about being full of sin; he's talking to us about being full of obedience.
Oral: So there's confirmation.
Kenneth: Yes, sir. But now, listen to the bottom of this, and this was...there were a lot of other things that were said, but let's bring...let's focus this in, now, on the word to the nations and the word to the Body of Christ. He said, "2004 will be the fullest year of your life." Now this goes back to obedience; this goes back to what he's saying and why he's doing these kind of things.   Why is he waking the world up? Why are things going to happen? I don't believe this is any one thing that's going to take place. "For whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." Seedtime and harvest is in play all the time.
Richard: I think you gave me the answer earlier when you said God is out of time.
Kenneth: He's out of time.
Oral: His timetable has come.
Kenneth: He gave many, many, many, many years for people to repent. Now he's no less merciful than he ever was. He's not out of mercy, but he's out of time. This thing is going to come out exactly on the time that he has chosen. It's going to be the exact second that he has chosen.
Oral: For the Father knoweth the time.
Kenneth: He knows it.
Oral: Matthew 24.
Kenneth: And it's on His schedule right now. One of the things he said in there, he said, "I've taken over the politicians and I've taken over the politics.   You vote the way I tell you to vote," because this thing, it's winding up. Now he said, "2004 will be the fullest year of your life. 2005 is the year of overflow. How much overflow depends on how much you sow towards it in 2004."
Oral: That's powerful.
Kenneth: Now he's talking here to the Body of Christ. Here he's talking to the nations and the Body of Christ that are living like the world.
Oral: Kenneth, as you know, for the past 57 years, I have preached in all the continents.   I've not preached in all nations, but I've preached in scores of nations and had huge crusades, and my television program went through a great part of the earth for the long number of years. I traveled this earth, and the number of people that I saw preaching the gospel was so infinitesimal small that it nearly broke my heart. I'd come back to America and there's a church almost on every corner and there are hundreds of thousands of preachers and hundreds of thousands of gospel teachers in this country. And this country is the source of the gospel being preached in all the nations, but when you go over there, you don't find much. The biggest revivals going on in the earth today are springing up almost from the inside over there.
Kenneth: Uh‑huh, it is.
Oral: There's only a handful like our brother in Africa, from Germany.
Richard: Reinhard Bonnke.
Oral: Reinhard, like him.   There's only a handful like him.   And most of the churches have very little concern outside the borders of their church building and where they live. I saw that, and God said, "Don't you think I saw it?"
Kenneth: Praise God.
Oral: He said, “Don't you see that if I don't do something and if I don't wake up this country, wake up my people and wake up the nations, that it's going to look like I don't love people? It's going to look like that my Son died in vain. It's going to look like I have not prepared a new heaven and a new earth for this world that's perishing, for this world that's the sickest it's ever been?” People are the sickest they've ever been.   We have the best medicine.   We have the most prayer.   But they're the sickest they have ever been. The medical problem by itself is probably the most serious problem on a personal basis that people believe they are facing right now. Now I just think about that. Of all the new medicines, of the consecration of hundreds of thousands and millions of trained doctors and nurses and healthcare people...
Kenneth: They still don't know how to be well.   They're sicker than they've ever been.
Oral: All we know about being well, we don't know how. And here, Jesus came into the world, came into the world to heal the sick, to cast out devils, to save the lost and to make us a new creation. He says, “It's not happening, and I'm going to do something about it.” And so all I can do is tell the vision. I can't do any more than that. I'm 86 years old.   It won't be long till I'll be called home.   And this may be my last message; I don't know. But I really know that God is speaking now, but he's going to speak a lot louder real soon.
Kenneth: Oh, I believe that.   Every day the increase of it is going to be just phenomenal.
Richard: The good news is, if we'll hear this, if we'll hear it—not just with our ears and be like the man who comes into church and just gives a good hearing and then goes home and goes about his business. If we'll hear with it our hearts, Kenneth, then it'll become a word of faith to us, and we'll be prepared and we'll begin to cast those things off that need to be cast off, and we'll begin to repent and we'll begin to get obedience so that we are ready. I want to be ready when the second coming is here. I don't know if the rapture is going to happen. I don’t know when it’s going to happen. I just know I want to live my life ready. He taught me all my life to be prepared for it in the twinkling of an eye but to work like it's not coming for a thousand years. But I've got to be ready.
Kenneth: Let's talk about judgment some more, because this is a wake‑up call.   Isaiah 26:9 says that God can do more in judgment than he can do in blessing, because it wakes people up.   And another part of judgment is, if there was no such thing as judgment in the earth, then sin would be free to go however far it could go. Satan would wind up with all the money, he would wind up with all the land, he would wind up with all the people, but death is a curb to that. Judgment will eventually hit the wall and can go no further. The wages of sin is death.
Richard: Isn't that sometimes why there's a recession in the land?
Kenneth: Oh, it works in cycles. There are life cycles and there are death cycles, and they're not political. Politicians respond to it, but it isn't political; they're spiritual. If the economy was political, no politician would have a bad economy on his watch. He would never do that, but he can't help it. The only thing you can affect that with is the Word, tithing, giving of offerings, and operating in the laws of God.
Richard: And getting into forgiveness.
Oral: You remind me of something. In the midst of the vision, I asked God about the coming election on November the 2nd in the United States for the president, and he just said one thing. He said, "It's a spiritual battle."
Kenneth: Yes, sir.
Oral: And I said, "But they're talking about the economy. They're talking about the war and Afghanistan and Iraq, and talking about the conflict between Islam and a so‑called Christian nation." America is not a Christian nation, it just has a lot of Christians in it.    But he said, "It's a spiritual battle." He said, “Whoever gets in is going to have to wage a spiritual battle in the United States.” And he said spiritual people have got to wake up, and wake up now.”
Kenneth: Yes, sir .
Oral: And then that's all he said.
Kenneth: Now you know what you just said is a form of judgment. God's judged this thing, and for the Body of Christ that will listen and be prepared, then that's our judgment.
Richard: And will repent.
Kenneth: And we repent and obey...
Oral: Forgive, and all those things you mentioned.
Kenneth: And forgive and move, then we've satisfied the judgment of this thing and it won't come on us.
Richard: It doesn't touch our sphere of influence, our surroundings.
Kenneth: Now, when he's talking to the world, there's only one answer for this, and that's receive Jesus as your personal Savior right now.   That's the only way you've got of getting out of it, because there are certain judgments in the world.   For instance, let me put it like ‑‑ this is the way he put it to me.   He said ‑‑ and, of course, I was in Fort Worth at the time.   Interstate 35 goes right out of Fort Worth north and goes out of there south. He said, "If you were on Interstate 35 going north and you know that my will is for you to be in San Antonio and you'd like to be in San Antonio," he said, "no amount of crying and praying and all of that, none of that is any good unless you will get off that highway going north and get on it going south, because if you stay on it going north, you're going to Oklahoma City, whether you like it or not.   You can cry about it until there's no more cry left in you.” "Repent" means to turn around. Now here's the big thing; here's the point.   As long as God will send the signs, praise God, we've got a chance here. As long as he's still interested in us, we've got a chance here. He said, "I'm not the one that put you on the highway going north.   You did that yourself. I'm the one that put the signs out there that said Oklahoma City 180 miles, Oklahoma City 100 miles." Billye Brim reminded us this morning of something that Brother Hagin said years ago.   He said, "If you're going down the road and there's a sign there that says, 'bridge out 10 miles,' then it says, 'bridge out 5 miles,' then 'bridge out,' and the signs keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger," he said, "only a blind fool would run off of the end of that thing and crash when there are signs all along. All you had to do was turn around.”
Richard: But there are a lot of people, Kenneth, who are blinded by the tricks and strategies of satan. They're blinded, thinking that they're all right because they've done good things in the earth.
Oral: Would you hold your peace a minute? (Laughter) In Acts 2...
Richard: We'll finish that in a minute.
Kenneth: Okay.
Oral: God directed me to Acts 2, beginning at verse 17, just after he had poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost on the first 120 disciples of Jesus Christ after the Resurrection. And beginning at verse 16, Peter said, "This is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; and it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh." You see, we're in the last days and God's about to pour out His Spirit upon all flesh. That's what I saw and what I heard. "I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, your old men shall dream dreams: and on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy." And listen, now, at verse 19: "And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke."
Kenneth: Praise God.
Oral: That's what he said he would do, and I had not connected that with our time. I'd connected that with the actual second coming as it was happening, which will have much of it, of course; but here he's connecting it after the baptism of the Holy Ghost was poured out upon his disciples, there'll be these signs of blood and fire and vapor and smoke. They'll be coming down toward the earth. And I believe that's what he showed me, that I saw at least that much of it and heard it.
Kenneth: I believe that. And you notice...I noticed here that it's connected with the handmaidens and the servants prophesying.
Oral: Yes.
Kenneth: He said, "I'll pour out my Spirit, they'll prophesy, and I will show wonders in the heavens above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, fire, and vapor of smoke."
Oral: There's going to be something go out from this program today that'll touch hearts and minds that's never been touched before in their lifetime.
Richard: Well, this word will bring repentance.   And what I was saying a moment ago, before he went to Acts 2 is, it doesn't matter about your being a good person, or that, "I've done so many good things," or, "I've attended church every Sunday," or, "I've sung in the choir."
Kenneth: That's not the issue.
Richard: No, no, no now.   The issue is, do you know the Lord Jesus? Have you received Christ as your personal Savior? Have you been born again? That's what Jesus said to Nicodemus.   "You must be born again." "Well, What do you mean, Jesus? How can I enter my mother's body a second time?" No, you're talking about flesh, you're talking about the things of the earth. I'm talking about the Spirit, born of God. There was a time in my life when I shed those things that were of me and of the world and I said, "Jesus, I repent of my sins and I receive you as my Savior and Lord." That's what he's talking about and that's what you're talking about and that's what has to happen to those who are watching who don't know the Lord. It is eternal doom and gloom for the folks who don't know him, but for those who know him, what a day.
Oral: What he showed me in this vision was a ship going across to another nation, and then behind it there was another ship and it came and passed the first ship. And he said, "My church has been going one way, but it's been slowing and getting weaker." But said, "Now there's a new ship in America."
Kenneth: Praise God.
Oral: And that ship represents this whole spirit of denying God and OF bringing in these funny, silly, unscriptural things to be made law and to take over our country ridicule the church, set aside the gospel, and take over the one nation that is more the source of the gospel for the nations than any other nation, and to break the covenant that began on the Mayflower. And you know something about the Compact on the Mayflower, when they were coming hundreds of years ago to America to help establish it. You want to say a word about that?
Kenneth: Yeah, I've got a copy of it right here: "In the name of God, amen. We, having undertaken, for the glory of God, and the advancement of the Christian faith, and the honor of our king and country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually in the presence of God and of one another, covenant and combine ourselves together ‑‑" Well, now, wouldn't that be Matthew 18? Whosoever ‑‑ any two of you on earth shall agree as touching anything on earth.   They covenanted together. We "combine ourselves together into a civil body politick, for our better ordering and preservation, and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought to be most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience."
Richard: And upon that framework and foundation America was built.
Kenneth: And they established it before God as a written covenant and they all signed and pledged all they would ever own to it, the carrying out. That was in 1620.
Oral: This vast number of people who would like to cast that aside and bring in new laws that are totally unscriptural and debilitating to the human being and to marriage and to human life, that's the ship that's trying to pass the gospel ship.
Kenneth: I see.
Oral: And this spiritual battle over this election has a lot to do with that.
Kenneth: I see that. Yes, it does. There is a two‑part base upon which everything else is constructed, and you can't start here (indicating) and build the house. You have to start down here (indicating) and build the house.    Now, let's read Galatians 6, the 7th verse. Now remember, we were talking about Noah and the ark?
Richard: Yes.
Kenneth: When that ark landed, God said, now ‑‑ and, of course, it had always been there, but then God re‑covenanted with Noah and he introduced it again into the earth.
Oral: To the new human race.
Kenneth: To the new human race, that it was the base of everything that they would do, seed, time and harvest.
Oral: As long as earth remains, that's Genesis 9 ‑‑
Richard: 8:22.
Oral: 8:22, as long as earth remains, there shall be seedtime and harvest.
Kenneth: So we can't ignore that.
Richard: No.
Kenneth: So let's put that pillar in place. "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: For whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." Now, "He that soweth to his flesh shall reap from the flesh; he that soweth to his spirit shall reap from the spirit." Now, what God ‑‑
Oral: And read verse 9 before you stop.
Kenneth: "Let us not be weary in well doing: For in due season we shall reap, if we faint out." What God has revealed through your dad's ministry is not just spiritual, it is not just mental, it is not just physical, it's not just financial. It is all of those and it has to be dealt with from the spiritual standpoint in order to take care of judgments in all of these realms.   We're at the end of this. It is vitally important. If we'll listen to God's warning, if we'll take what his word says, we can snatch those out of the world, we can snatch those that are in the church but on the wrong highway and headed towards a crash someplace, we can snatch them out of judgment and pull them over here in the glory and they can be part of what God is doing. So, "Don't be deceived; God is not mocked: Whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap." Now, let's go to Matthew 22 and we'll get the other post that this stands on. This is Jesus speaking: "Thou shalt love ‑‑" And this is in order, by the way. "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment.   The second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.     On these two commandments hang all of the law and the prophets." So this is the law of sowing and reaping, and on the law ‑‑ the law of sowing and reaping hangs on these first two commandments. Now, you bring the two of those together in obedience and your faith is no longer contaminated because perfected love casteth out fear. Once fear begins to leave, you begin to think with a right mind. Nobody in his right mind would turn Jesus down for a later day. Nobody in his right mind would run off of that bridge and run through those danger signs and crash out in the Gulf down there.   Nobody in his right mind would do that.
Oral: But if the sign to go a certain way was not there, if he didn't have the warning...you see, if God is not giving a wake‑up call in this vision to tell us about the second coming, then we have an excuse to pay no attention to it.   But now he's giving us a wake‑up call. He's taken away the excuse. He's telling us through these signs and visions...
Kenneth: That's what this is all about, isn't it?
Oral: It's what it's all about.   It's time to change direction and get on God's signs rather than just the signs on the highway. Of course, you are to follow the signs on the highway.   If you don't, you're going to get lost in your travels and wind up where you shouldn't. But God has signs, too.
Kenneth: Well, yeah, it's the signs of God that I'm talking about here. It's his signs ‑‑ he put the signs up there. We're the one that got on the wrong highway. He put the sign up there, and all you've got to do is turn around and be obedient.
Oral: That's why we preachers have got to start preaching with fire in our belly.
Kenneth: Yes, sir.
Oral: We've got to preach the Word of God about the second coming of Christ as we never have before, because we're coming down to the end time, to this thing is going to be wrapped up, and God's going to give a new heaven and new earth and he's going to deliver us from our sicknesses and our sin and our humanity. He's going to take death out, he's going to bring a new life to us. Well, he loves us.   He's got to tell us to pay attention and get ready, and that means changing direction.
Kenneth: Right now. Not any ten years from now; right now.
Richard: It's not his will for any to be lost.
Kenneth: No, it isn't. No, it isn't.
Oral: Not willing any should perish, but all should be saved.
Kenneth: We're talking about ‑‑
Oral: I think you should turn to Luke 6:38.
Kenneth: That is ‑‑ that is ‑‑ it's exactly the same thing again in different words, because you can't change these ‑‑ you can't change these foundation laws.   Whatever you're talking about fits on top of this. You cannot change it. If you don't change, it's going to change you, one way or the other.
Oral: That's a powerful statement.
Kenneth: It's going to be this way. Now, if you will wake up and repent, get the ‑‑ get the ‑‑ get over on the commandment that Jesus said and get the strife out of your life, get obedient to the commandment of love ‑‑ he didn't make that as a suggestion.   It's not something that goes on a pretty Christmas card. He commanded it. But on the other side of that command is a fear‑free life. On the other side of that commandment is the armor of light, where you walk right through the judgments that are falling on this world all around you and walk through it untouched. I'm thinking about a guy that's a friend of ours, and yours, too, Dan Stratton, pastors right there ‑‑ right there at the ‑‑ on Wall Street. And he had been teaching and preaching on the blood and hearing the voice of God and so forth. Not one member of his staff commutes through the World Trade Center to come to work every day. Not a member of his church, not a member of his staff, nor any member of any of their families were touched by the Trade Center when it full in, not one. And they commute there, that's where they were.   And he said nearly all of them were late to work. Nearly all of them late to work. One guy started in the front door and he heard the voice of God say, "Run!" He didn't know where or why. He just turned and took off down the street, before it of hit.   He walked right through the middle of it without being touched. If we'll listen to the signs, we'll be this Body of Christ, this body of power, this great beacon of light right in the middle of all of this that's going on. And when the signs come and the noise hits and all of this, it's going to be all over the world, in whatever form it takes where you are, you'll be standing there ready, your congregation will be standing there ready, you'll be the place where they run; and when they run there, they're not going to hear some little two‑bit social gospel and a bunch of political correctness.   They're going to hear about Jesus and he's coming soon, and the people are going to line up the altars of the churches and cry out to God in the middle of all this, and we're going to see the greatest influx of souls that's ever been in the history of...
Richard: But they don't have to wait till that moment.   They can repent now, right now.
Kenneth: They could be doing that ‑‑ we ought to be doing that ‑‑ we're behind time now, you understand? We ought to be doing that now. Luke 6: "Give ‑‑" Well, you have to read verse 36.   Verse 35: "Love your enemies, and do good, lend nothing, hoping for nothing again; and your reward will be great, and you'll be the children of the Highest: For he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.   Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father is merciful. Judge not, and you'll not be judged: Condemn not, and you'll not be condemned: Forgive, and you'll be forgiven. Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure‑‑" Here it is right now.   Listen to this.   "‑‑the same measure you measure with it shall be measured to you again." Now, God, this is just the way he is.   It's not some way he wants to be.   I mean, this is just the way he is. If I measure with that (indicating), then that's what he's going to fill up and hand back to me. If I bring a bucket, he's going to use that as my measure. Your dad said to me 38 years ago, he laid his hand on my back and he ‑‑ and then a few moments later he said, "Get out your dump trucks."   He said, "Get out everything you've got, and nothing small, for," he said, "it's coming, and it's not a trickle, it's not a stream, it's not a river, it's a flood!" He said, "The flood is coming.   Open the gates, get out your dump trucks." So he's telling me, don't measure with a spoon, don't measure with a shovel.
Richard: You'll get back with a spoon, you'll get back with a shovel.
Kenneth: Yeah.   Don't measure with a bowl.   Measure it by the dump truck load.   Get out the biggest thing you can find and get in line with the flow of this, get stirred up about this. Another scripture that comes just leaping through my mind: "The law of the split of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death." That's the law of giving. That's the law of love. Everything love does is give, isn't it?
Richard: Mm‑hmm.
Oral: Ken, I hold this $50 bill in my hand, and Jesus told me to give. All right, I could reach in my wallet and pick up a dollar bill, I could pick up a $5 bill, I could pick up a $20 bill, but I happen to have a $50 bill today in my wallet. Now ‑‑ and it's my privilege to choose any of those numbers. I can give you a dollar for your ministry, I can give you 5, I can give you 10, give you 20, I can give you 50.   I can't give you a hundred because I don't have a hundred dollar bill, but I have a $50 bill. Now, I want to show you, just take this.
Kenneth: I'll be glad to, sir.   I receive.
Oral: Yes, sir, for your ministry. Now, what he's saying in Luke 6:38, "Give, and it..." Now, I just gave you $50, that's the "it."
Kenneth: "It." (Laughs) Ooh! I see that.
Oral: By "it" shall it be measured back. He's going to measure back to me this amount, I'm going to get it back, and then he's going to use that to measure other $50 bills.
Kenneth: To press down.
Oral: He's going to press them down, shake them together‑‑
Richard: Run them over.
Oral: ...and run them over because this is "it" that I'm giving for him to use as the measurement, by which he gives "it" back and multiplies the extra for my extra needs that I'm facing, and it changes everything. But I have to give "it."
Kenneth: Yes, Lord.   I see that.
Oral: And I think that's the way we should bring this to a close into some prevailing prayer, and teach not only that I give my $50, which is my biggest bill, but I give my best mercy, my best forgiveness.   There are a lot of people who have hurt me and I walk around remembering it and feeling bad, and I've got to give that, because if I give it, that's it.
Kenneth: If you sow it as a seed, then it's gone.
Oral: Sow it as a seed. I sow...
Kenneth: What is the phrase you used so many times, so effectively? The seed of equal benefit.
Oral: Yes. Whatever loss you have, whatever loss you've suffered—you've lost a child, you've lost your marriage, you've lost your job...
Richard: Your home.
Oral: ...You've lost your home, you've lost your health, plant a new seed for an equal benefit.   Plant a new seed because the seed that you plant becomes "it." It becomes the major measuring rod by which ‑‑
Kenneth: Did you get that, boy?
Richard: I got it.
Kenneth: I got that.
Oral: ...by which he multiplies back. He gives back to you the equal of what you lost.
Kenneth: I love that.
Oral: And then he shakes it together and runs it over.   He starts giving you the overflow.   And you said if we said in '04, we'll reap in '05 what we sow for.   It's time to sow to God toward the second coming of Christ.
Richard: That's what Isaac did. He sowed in famine, or, in other words, when things weren't going well, and he reaped an hundredfold in the same year.
Kenneth: I receive, in the Name of Jesus, "it." And this "it" is sown, we sow it into this ministry, and we receive the abundance of harvest.   In the Name of Jesus, we are prepared for the signs that are coming.   Whether they be in this natural world, in the intellectual world and in the spiritual world, it matters not.   We are prepared for them, in Jesus' name. God guide us, we repent.
Oral: Lead us to Jesus, Richard.
Kenneth: Hallelujah.
Richard: Father, I thank you that you don't do anything without first revealing it through your prophets, and you have given a vision and you have given prophetic insight into the vision. Lord, let us hear this with our ears and let it get down in our hearts, and we make a commitment to you today that we are going to repent. We do repent, we change our mind on these things that have been dragging us away from our purpose, and we make a fresh commitment today that we're going to serve you with all of our heart, with all of our mind and with all of our strength.
Oral: And our expectancy.
Richard: And our expectancy.
Kenneth: Yes, hallelujah.
Richard: And I pray right now for you.   You who have never made a commitment of your life to the Lord Jesus Christ, time is just about out. I promise you, you don't want to be on the side of the ones that Kenneth Copeland talked about, you don't want to be on the eternal damnation side. That means forever. You want to be on the side that's heaven bound. Well, in order to do that, Jesus said you must be born again. And I'm going to lead you in a prayer and I pray that if you'll pray this prayer with me ‑‑ I mean, if you'll say it out loud with me and you mean it with your heart, Jesus Christ will come into your heart and you'll never ever be the same again.
Oral: Can Ken and I repeat the prayer?
Richard: I wish you would. And would you at home, would you pray this out loud with Kenneth and with my dad and me: Father... (Kenneth and Oral repeat remainder of prayer) ...in Jesus' name I see it.    I see it, I understand, and I don't want to miss it. So in Jesus' name, I repent, I change my mind. I turn my back on the past. I renounce the devil and all of his works.   And I receive Jesus Christ, I receive him now, as my Lord and Savior. Save me, Jesus. Heal me, deliver me, and set me free. From this moment I will serve God." Oh, hallelujah. If you meant that with your heart, you are born again! You say, "Well, Kenneth, Richard, is it that easy?" Yes, if you're sincere, if you believe. That's the prayer that I prayed on my knees, with my face in my mother's lap.   When I, in obedience to the prophesy that you prayed over me, when I came home and gave my heart to God and my life got straightened out, I was 19 years of age.
Kenneth: Praise God.
Richard: And you know what? I got saved as I prayed that prayer. And if you meant that prayer, you are born again and you'll never be the same.
Kenneth: No question about it.
Oral: But, Ken, it's time to pray for the saints, many of whom are lukewarm, many of whom know nothing about the second coming, many of whom are startled by this revelation, by this vision. Would you pray for all of us?
Kenneth: Father, in the Name of Jesus, we receive your word through your servant Oral Roberts. We receive it and it stirs our hearts. Reveal to us more about it, Father. Show us more, show us insight, teach us and train us from it, and show us from your written Word and lead us in how we're to react and respond to you and to the world. And, Father, we pray for these things that satan has planned to bring on the earth in great destruction and all of that. Oh, God, we pray for ‑‑ oh, my Lord, in the Name of Jesus, we declare upon you, satan, you desist in your maneuvers against this nation, against the Body of Christ and against this...against all that belongs to God! I rebuke you! Take your hands off of God's property right now! I pray for the Body of Christ now to come alive...
Richard: Yes.
Kenneth: ...to obedience to the things of God.
Richard: In fullness.
Kenneth: Fear not, neither be dismayed, for the Lord your God takes you by the right hand like a small child and will lead you more quickly than you ever dreamed into a spiritual adulthood, and you will know more than you know you know, and you'll see more than you ever dreamed you'd ever see, for these are the times of God, these are his hours.   So rejoice and announce to the world that Jesus is coming soon! And prepare yourself for him, for he is coming for a victorious church, and you're part of it, hallelujah!